DYS Numbers  
Kit # Ancestor 3 3 1 3 3 3 4 3 4 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 H
9 9 9 9 8 8 2 8 3 8 9 8 5 5 5 5 5 4 3 4 4 6 6 6 6 A
3 0   1 5 5 6 8 9 9 2 9 8 9 9 5 4 7 7 8 9 4 4 4 4 P
        a b       |   |   a b             a b c d G
                  1   2                           P
2994 Samuel Rose b. 1756 of SC & NC + Rhoda > Francis Rose + Elizabeth Ford > John Rose bc. 1800 + Rhoda Strain > Samuel Rose, b. 1823 +1 Lydia Marsh 13 25 14 10 11 14 12 12 12 13 10 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 R1b1

The DYS Numbers in red have shown a faster mutation rate than the average, and therefore these markers are very helpful at splitting lineages into subsets, or branches, within a family tree. DYS 19 is also known as DYS 394. A Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) test, which is used to confirm the haplogroup, has been performed on the haplogroups written in bold, red print in the right hand column. It is necessary to do an SNP (commonly called “snip”) test for only one individual within a family group in order to determine the haplogroup for everyone in the group.

Copyright © December 2003, Revised 2006
Mary Fern Souder

My immediate family had documentary evidence back to our ancestor John Rose, born ca. 1800, who married Rhoda Strain. He lived in Sangamon County, IL, in 1830, moved to Washington County, AR, by 1835, and was enumerated on the 1840 Benton County, AR, census. Because the name "John Rose" is exceptionally common, finding his family of origin was a project that extended over a period of 15 years.

Ultimately, an informal paper was located, "Traditions of the Rose Family," by Miss Addie Forrest Rose, (1870-1950), a granddaughter of Rev. Zachariah Rose. Addie's paper, written in longhand ca. 1933, listed the nine sons (including a John Rose) and one daughter who were born to Francis Rose, and his wife, Elizabeth Ford, of Buncombe and Haywood Counties, NC. These children were: Samuel Rose, Francis Rose, Henry Rose, (Rev.) Zachariah Rose, Hezekiah Rose, Ezra Rose, Humphrey "Posey" Rose, William Rose, John Rose, and Rhoda Rose.

One difficulty with the paper by Addie F. Rose was that she stated that three of the sons "Ezra Rose, William Rose, John Rose the last account of them as young men they were seen crossing on a flat boat across the Mississippi River, at now what is known as Memphis Tennessee, supposedly killed by Indians."

In 1840, John Rose resided in Arkansas, very near three young men who were all listed as sons of Francis Rose and Elizabeth Ford: William Rose, Francis Rose, and Henry Rose. A definitive study of this extended Rose family was conducted by Rosemary Corley Neal, and published in her book, "Tidewater to Texas," Bookcrafters, 1998. Ms. Neal devoted one chapter in her book to the Rose family, and she states that "although William Rose was thought by Addie F. Rose to have been killed by Indians . . . he may be the man who lived in VanZandt County, TX at the time of the 1850 census."

Research by the late Flora Helen (Mrs. Benny) Rose of Lufkin, TX, who independently traced the lineage of the ten children of Francis and Elizabeth Ford Rose, contained the statement that "William Rose, Francis Rose, Henry Rose, and John Rose were four brothers who lived in Arkansas. . . (and that) three of them came to Texas." Patrick and Sharolyn McCoy, in their extensive research of the lives of William Rose, Francis Rose, and Henry Rose, have found documentary evidence that they were brothers and did indeed move from Arkansas to VanZandt and Smith Counties, TX.

Ms. Neal also traced Francis Rose, husband of Elizabeth Ford, back to his father, Samuel Rose, born in 1756, who served in the Revolutionary War, enlisting in 1777 at the Guilford County, NC, courthouse. He is believed to be the same person as Samuel Rose who, with wife Rhody, sold land in 1786 in Pendleton County, SC. Samuel Rose lived in Buncombe County, NC, in 1800, in Haywood County, NC, in 1810, and died in Macon County, NC, in 1833.

In addition to those mentioned above, several loving family historians have shared records, and I am deeply indebted to them. These include the late Larry Sanders, Eva Jane (Mrs. Albert ) Hall, Evylee Rose Coyner, Harley Rose, Dorothy Bell, Florine Wall, Jody Crim Hamilton, Shirley (Mrs. Stanley) Phillips, Rose Houston, Vernon Rose, Harley Rush, Theron R. Rose, Donald Rose, Rose Stauber, and the late Jack Ledbetter.

All Rose families have enormously benefited from several decades of extensive research by professional genealogists, Christine Rose, CG, CGL, FASG, and her husband, Seymour T. Rose. Christine and Seymour have traveled throughout the United States, extracting data and collecting documentary evidence, which they generously shared. My gratitude for the assistance and direction provided by Christine and Seymour when I first began researching, and which continues to the present, cannot be overstated.

David Brown and Kathleen Rose began the Rose Family DNA Project in 2002, and the updated results are published in each quarterly edition of the "Rose Family Bulletin," edited by Christine and Seymour T. Rose, 1474 Montelegre Drive, San Jose, CA 95120-4831, website: Rose Family Association Nationwide.

We now know that William Rose was not killed by Indians, that John Rose died in Arkansas in 1844, and that William, Francis, and Henry Rose of Arkansas were all brothers who moved to Texas after the death of John Rose. A DNA test between a descendent of my John Rose and one of the proven sons of Francis Rose and Elizabeth Ford seemed to be a prudent step in further advancing the evidence that my John Rose is the same person mentioned in the Addie F. Rose paper, as well as the same person mentioned in the research of Flora Helen Rose.

I am pleased that Participant # 2994, a descendent of John Rose, is a 25-marker match, with no mutations, to Participant # 4320, a descendent of Humphrey "Posey" Rose, a proven son of Francis and Elizabeth Ford Rose. There were seven transmission events between Samuel Rose, born 1756 and Participant # 2994.

Last Updated on 2/21/2006
By Wallace W. Souder